Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. Evil Buu is stated to be stronger than Kid Buu based on his fight with Mr. Good Buu. He has nothing to restrain his power (No GSK) but also has no extra boosts. He is pure evil. So you would have base Gogeta at least being 10x stronger than ssj3 Goku, once he goes super saiyan, he would be at least a whooping 500x stronger than ssj3 Goku, at bare minimum. SSJ3 Goku was about equal to Fat Buu. Kid Buu easily brushes aside both Fat Buu and Vegeta, making Goku's sustained fight all the more impressive. It is probably safe to say that Trunks would have defeated fat Buu, how easily is another discussion. Super Buu is born. That means that the Ultra Buu we see here is stronger than Super Buu. Another way you could tell is that Dabura was stated to be about equal to Cell, Fat Buu killed Dabura, and kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu. He reminded us about a fight that he had, and said he could have won it if he wanted to, but pretended to draw: One thing you cannot change is Goku admitting to being weaker than Super Boo. Now, he fights against SSJ3 Gotenks and almost loses. Also, I know that Fat Buu and Super Buu are made of the same beings, but so are Gogeta and Veku. After the whole sheniganans with Super Buu and Buff Buu, Goku is more pleased to see Kid Buu than worried about his strength. Goten, Trunks and Krillin all failed to sense a power in Super Buu, which on its own could mean that Super Buu's ki isn't greater than Fat Buu's ki, which would imply SSJ3 Goku > Super Buu = Fat Buu. There is Zero evidence that Super Buu's ki ever rose above Fat Buu level. As Ultra Buu is changing, Goku and Vegeta says his power is rising. Super Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu was absorbed by Evil Buu. =) WaffleGuy26 (talk) 01:48, July 14, 2014 (UTC). https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Buu%27s_by_level_of_strength?oldid=1290435. But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. He does have his memory, and experience. Goku's later admission is specifically about who he fought, he didn't fight Super Buu. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! In Z it fluctuates and in Super, we know who’s stronger. Or he was warming up, which ever you believe, either way it didn't matter because he was no match for Gohan. Both Goku and Vegeta felt confident enough that SSJ3 Goku would be able to beat Kid Buu once he had revved up enough power. Even ssj3 Goku couldn't beat kid Buu. That's all the evidence you really need. SSJ3 Goku could have won against Kid Buu or Fat Buu.. There's this whole discussion of Kid Buu > Super Buu (base) because everyone thinks SSj3 can own Super Buu (base) because he was only a "little" stronger of Fat Buu who SSj3 Goku … He then preceeds to absorb Gohan and create the strongest form of Buu ever. Explaining why when SSJ3 Goku pounded on him, why he liked it. But just minutes before is confident that he and Vegeta could not beat Super Buu. So I believe, that Evil Buu was just the essence or mind of Kid Buu. Just because it wasn't explicitly said before doesn't mean it wasn't the case. Now, at this point there is no indication that Kid Buu is weaker than SSK. I think. Kid buu DID almost beat fat buu to death, so it shows that buu can be killed without vaporizing him with a spirit bomb. Struggled against SSK, and decided to absorb him. (Anime) and in the Manga he says "Even Gohan can beat you now." This way, we might be able to manage something.” Through this statement, Goku believes Kid Buu is roughly Fat Buu level, or at the very least far below Super Buu. It's so clear he wasn't at full power. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Boo, but said Super Boo would kill him. Fat Buu severely damaged him and scorched him too despite being factually weaker too, guess he's Fat Buu level now. I think it's weird that Goku only mentions being stronger than Fat Boo when talking to Vegeta, instead of saying something like "Truth is, I could … The good heart of the SGK (not the SSK) caused his Full power to be restrained. I dont have him that strong, and i dont have any buu character being hundreds of times stronger than a ssj3 goku, thats on you if you do. Now, after a fight with Gotenks, he befriends Hercule, and ultimately the SGK's plan is finally being put into effect. Even if Gohan becomes stronger than Buu Saga Goku, there's just too much of a gap for him to overcome. Of course, Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks is stronger than Super Saiya-jin Gotenks. #MajinBuu#Goku#GokuVsMajinBuuI DO NOT OWN ANY OF THIS CONTENT ALL CONTENT BELONGS TO THE ORIGINAL OWNERS! The second link is the chapter where Goku states he is weaker than Super Buu. He has two later admissions. Although I think my list covers it better, you  have logical points to back the placement of the Buu's. Goku can kill Kid Buu, who is stronger than Super Buu. Goku said that if he and Vegeta fought Super Buu, they would lose, which on its own could mean that Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, that would imply that Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu. Now, when SSJ3 Goku fights Fat Buu, Piccolo notes that his power increases with every hit. Ssj3 Goku is at least 4x stronger than Ssj2 Gohan, so there is a lot of wiggle room for Gotenks to be stronger than Fat Boo, but not quite there with Ssj3 Goku.. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Supreme kai said that other kais make Buu weaker, but he was talking mostly about Fat Buu as weaker than kid Buu. In desperation, he absrobs Piccolo and SSJ3 Gotenks. Meaning, thus far Super Buu is the strongest Buu to appear. I know they are the  pure evil forms, but Evil Buu is not all of Buu, because Good was created, Buu had a been split into. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. This makes Buutenks undoubtedly the strongest form yet. If you recall, Goku Refused to fight Super Buu alone (after gotenks had defused) and would only do so with the help of Vegeta. If Kid Buu was above Super Buu then that would mean SSJ3 Gotenks is < SSJ3 Goku. I just think it's a bit excessive to have Goku that much stronger than Buu. Vegeta or Goku(forgot which) makes a comment about how Fat Buu seemed to be taking more damage because the opponent was a Buu … Now Kid Buu is basically in control of his body again, but the GSK stil causes him to have a soft spot for Hercule and Bee. That's more proof that Gotenks SSJ3 is stronger than him, not to mention Goku already stated he couldn't defeat Super Buu. Buuhan. Goten and Trunks never sensed a power increase with Super Buu, but in RoSaT they admitted that it would take SSJ3 to beat him. ~Shin Izanagi, Can't argue with this. Really controversial fight such as Goku vs Gohan, since Gohan was stronger than Super Bu and Goku was in tie with kid buu. well kid buu > fat buu is a stated fact and SSJ3 goku wolluped fat buu it was one of gokus most one sided fights ever majin buu couldnt even TOUCH him and this was a SSj3 goku who admited to piccolo he held back Uh, what? SS3 Gotenks was stronger than Super Buu and so is Kid Buu. Gogeta > Super Buu (base form) > SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta. Easy, Kid Boo, Kid Boo, Kid Boo! Now, he seperates into 2 entities. [[Category:{{{1}}}|Buu's by level of strength]]. But yah, I … On Namek, Krillin made the mistake of judging someone for their appearance, not the mistake of failing to sense ki as if it wasn't there, so no, not the same mistake. Krillin didn't notice an increase when Freeza transformed, either, but he was still stronger; we can rule Kucklin out of this. Now, Super Buu is the same as Fat Buu, but without the GSK's effects making him innocent and restraining his power. Apparently Super Buu was stated to be equal to Fat Buu in power, only now his body is better suited for fighting Gohan and Gotenks are never actually stated to be stronger than Goku in either the manga or guidebooks (the guidebooks actually rule Goku out of the chain). Manga Trunks's SS2 was on par with the SS3 Goku who is stronger than his Buu arc counterpart. So, easier to manipulate. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. While no one explicitly said Boo's Ki increased, no one said it didn't, and Goku's later admission is proof it did. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! Below is a link with a detailed explanation, stating how Goku is weaker than not only Buu, but Gotenks and Gohan as well. Goku: “We did it! Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. He reverts back to Kid Buu, pure evil. Not the same mistake, or situation. Gohan easily dominated and beat the hell out of Super Buu, who was far stronger than Fat Buu. Hercule shows him what it means to have a friend and a good heart. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Now, after figthing with Super Grand Kai, he again absobs him as well. You guys got it wrong:  The Kias brought down Kid Buu power because they are pure kindness. Now, keep in mind he is still Buu. That's not to say that Fat Buu and Kid Buu are the same in strength. Gohan didn't seem to be trying that much against Super Buu also though. Super Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu was absorbed by Evil Buu. This Kai did not weaken him. That's not to say that Fat Buu and Kid Buu are the same in strength. It’s not even that. Correct me anywhere I'm wrong, but do not say any of the following: SSJ3 is not better than SSJ3 Gotenks or Mystic Gohan, or that the English Dubbed Anime/Manga means nothing, since Japnese and Englsih Manga or Anime, are part of the DBZ Universe. So this also says that even though Kid Buu is much stronger than he was a birth, he is still weaker than Super Buu. Now released, Evil Buu is the mind of Kid Buu with out being Buu. Indeed. No he isn’t. (Not Good Buu.) Now, Piccolo has been a good soul since the Dragon Ball days, and has the previous Kame-sama inside of him. The power of Evil Buu, added on to Good Buu, gives birth to a strength much greater than Kid Buu. All of this proves Kid Buu … I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. Let me explain, Bibidi says if Buu serves him he will feed him cake forever. Goten and Trunks are kids, innocent. So, the GSK "weakend" Buu, but it ultimatley didn't matter. So, Buuiccolo would be Super Buu with the power of Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks (SSJs). I will now be referring to him as Pure Boo from this point on so follow me here. He fought pretty evenly with Kid Buu and said he thought he had the power ot destroy him. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. I agree Shin. I also believe Buuiccolo to be stronger than Ultra Buu, but other than that I agree with your list.Ultimatessj1 (talk) 22:10, March 3, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1, idk exactly where i would put southern kai absorbed but definitely somewhere between kid buu and fat buu. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Nothing to hold him from tapping into his power. After the whole sheniganans with Super Buu and Buff Buu, Goku is more pleased to see Kid Buu than worried about his strength. This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. People are so hooked up on this argument so it’s time to squash some of this. Buuiccolo is born, and SSJ3 Goku says "You don't expect to beat me like that do you?" There's no conflict. After Bee is killed, this causes Fat Buu to go crazy. Vegeta notices a pod. Ok, I am going to start with Kid Buu and see if I can't figure this out. However, they are not 100% pure of heart. It's just that by the time Kid Buu rolls around everyone who was strong enough to contend with Super Buu has been pushed off the stage, you have Vegeta still at Cell's level and Goku who's too exhausted to maintain SSJ3 long enough to get the win. SSJ Gotenks Post is much stronger and has to be equal if not greater than Goku.. I mean, once Gohan turned into his ultimate/mystic form he was giving Super Buu a run for his money and Goku couldn't barely take down Fat Buu when he turned into a SSJ3. This creates Fat Buu. This is simply not true. 1) Super Boo is stronger than him, made when he's inside of Super Boo. I must ask  Why you think Evil Buu would equal Kid Buu? The spirit of the SSK, went into Uub. Agreed. So this means that the Kid Buu at the end of DBZ is much stronger than the Kid Buu that obsorbed the Kai's, as he would be about on par with Evil Buu at the time of his creation. He also says that his power has doubled since their last fight. Krillin, Goten and Trunks are just idiots who rely on their eyes instead of sensing Ki; Krillin made the same mistake with Freeza. I don't think there's one thing I don't agree with about this list, good job! He is refering to Gotenks, probably taking into account Goten and Trunks' ability to become a Super Saiya-jin. Goku in SSJ3 could have taken Fat Buu if he really tried. If you recall, Goku Refused to fight Super Buu alone (after gotenks had defused) and would only do so with the help of Vegeta. There is Zero Evidence that Kid Buu's ki fell after Goku and Vegeta noted that it was rising. SSJ3 Goku >= SSJ Gotenks Pre. Almost like a zenkai type of power up. there are people that actually believe buutenks and buuhan are weaker than kid buu, and that ssj3 goku could have handled all of them, because of sources outside of the manga released years after it ended trying to spin the narrative of "kid buu and ssj3 goku were the strongest characters in the series up to that point", despite all evidence in the actual series suggesting otherwise Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, who fought Super Buu, and Goku said he couldnt beat Super Buu. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. Ok, Bibidi creates Kid Buu. SF latif Iirc, Kid Buu was even weaker than Fat Buu, but was insanely destructive to the point where he seemingly came out ahead. I also want to know how Evil Buu is stronger than Fat Buu? Good Buu is in it. Goku stated that him and Vegeta can't beat Super Buu once they will be out of his body. there are people that actually believe buutenks and buuhan are weaker than kid buu, and that ssj3 goku could have handled all of them, because of sources outside of the manga released years after it ended trying to spin the narrative of "kid buu and ssj3 goku were the strongest characters in the series up to that point", despite all evidence in the actual series suggesting otherwise Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! If he's stronger than Fat Boo but weaker than Super Boo, that means Super > Fat Boo. Becasue the ability to get stronger, he is still no Buuhan or Buutenks, but over time his power has increased that much. Now this cause him to change and creates Ultra Buu. Maybe he could take Fat Buu (the one that originally hatched) as SSJ3 Goku was able to go head to head with that version. Why Do You Think Goku Lied About Being Weaker Than Super Boo? That means that Goku was worn out and tired when he made the comment about Super Buu killing him and Vegeta. Evil Buu and Good Buu. Was Goku just not trying hard enough? Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Ultimatessj1 (talk) 14:42, March 1, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1. But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. Kid Buu easily brushes aside both Fat Buu and Vegeta, making Goku's sustained fight all the more impressive. I believe that gokus maximum power as SSJ3 is far stronger than fat buus max, but can he overcome buus hax regen before SSJ3 runs out? You can call Goten and Trunks idiots if you want, the fact remains that they can sense ki, and didn't sense Super Buu's go up. Why? However, he lost all his additonal power from other people. He would have to reach the level of Gotenks all on his own. Ssj3 Goku VS Fat Buu Gotenks Buu Kid Buu ... buu and possibly Kid buu if he had gone all out Although Gotenks Buu would be a different story since ssj gotenks is stronger than ssj3 goku … Goku tells Fat Buu that a warrior stronger than himself will fight Buu in two days. Every piece of information in the manga tells us that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. @Muzic: Kid Buu is actually weaker than Super Buu (base form). Thus Buuhan > Super Buu > Kid Buu. I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. So, this means that Super buu is Kid Buu with power SSK, and GSK, without the power restraining. Now, Good Buu is the the combination of SSK, SGK, and the goodness inside Buu that Hercule found. Even though SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Kid Buu, it's unlikely he could take on someone even stronger. Now, that could imply a whole hell of a lot about SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan, but that's not what we are talking about. Goten and Trunks have more development than Goku in Super. He got to cocky, typical of him when he has the upper hand. As for the evidence that SSJ3 Goku could beat Super Buu. This is simply not true. Goku didn't just randomly bring up a full list of all the people he could beat. Now, Evil Buu is the presence of Kid Buu inside of Buu. Kid Buu does much better than Fat Buu, implying that over time Buu really does just get stronger. Now, Goku admits he can beat Kid Buu. This way, we might be able to manage something.” Through this statement, Goku believes Kid Buu is roughly Fat Buu level, or at the very least far below Super Buu. Also it was stated somewhere that Gohan was the strongest non-fused guy by the end of DBZ (interview or something) This list includes absorbsions, not just the Buu's normal forms. Now, when the fusion runs out, Buutenks is fighting Goku while Gohan tries to find an earing. So, since they didn't decrease his power, that means that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, but weaker than Buutenks. First off, I will introduce the most important and obvious examples. We notice this when he reverts back to Ultra Buu. Which, not only made him easier to manipulate, but also, contained his power. It's shown and stated multiple times Kid Buu>Gotenks and Gohan. I've found this to be a way more tricky debate than I figured it would be. He chose to judge Frieza by his appearance, and was corrected, then 3 characters mentioned Frieza's ki size. This means that Good Buu and Evil Buu are weaker than Fat Buu. I don't know how hard this is to get. Do you think Goku should still be able to ride the Flying Nimbus in Super? It's fucking basic powerscaling. Now, Goku mopped Fat Buu, but he was not using full power or really doing any critical damgage to Buu. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Now, Vegeta rips the pod, and that is  when the SSK spirit actually leaves, as he was completley absorbed into Buu's body at this point. This means that when Super Buu was born, the spirit of the GSK became one with Good Buu, causing them to almost bascially be the fusion form of Buu and GSK. So, Buu did not get a restrain on power like he did from the GSK, but an increase like he did from the SSK. Time his power is rising see Kid Buu 's unlikely he could on! Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu but. Stated multiple times Kid Buu power because they are not 100 % Evil in control n't said. See here is stronger than Super Buu that other kais make Buu weaker, but he warming!, then 3 characters mentioned Frieza 's ki size people are so hooked up on this argument so ’. 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